![]() … Magic was, more or less, taken for granted. ![]() You give the audience what they want, you make them love it, and then you take it away. Or the same thing that excites me when you write a love story and, suddenly, in the middle of Red Square in 1917, the two lovers are separated. MCNAMARA | The same thing that excites me in a James Bond movie where he gets into so much trouble with M that they take away his license to kill and he has to go rogue. TVLINE | The guiding principle of the show is magic, so what excites you about exploring a world without magic? She’s certainly powerful enough to do so. GAMBLE | I think it’s fair to take Our Lady Underground at her word that she intends to deal with him. TVLINE | Going back to Reynard, is he still a threat? Will we see him next season? GAMBLE | We thought it was fiction when we started writing the show. Can you imagine that president? Do you have to? MCNAMARA | Imagine a United States president who is born into incredible privilege, who’s lived his entire life fighting not only a kind of inner self-hatred, but an outer boredom, who’s then given ultimate power over life and death. Ember, to us, is a more insidious kind of evil, because if he’s bored, he’ll just erase you. Even Reynard, by the end of it… listen, I don’t want to minimize the extreme dickery of being Reynard the Fox, but at the same time, you kind of get where he’s coming from from a familial standpoint. But he started out as an abused child, and he’s a human with human motivations. He got pretty damn murdery as time went on. The more we wrote and the more we understood his motivation, I found him really quite sympathetic. GAMBLE | Yeah, the fact that Ember does whatever he wants based entirely on his mood and whim of the moment, in a certain way, that’s more sinister to me. Reynard and The Beast are very classically evil villains. TVLINE | Ember is also a very different kind of villain. We didn’t want you to know who the endgame was when you came in for the first episode of the season. Coming into Season 2, it was very important to us to switch that up a little bit and not give you that same linear Big Bad structure. When you meet The Beast in the pilot of The Magicians, it’s clear that there’s a classic Big Bad arc to that season that we followed and commented on in our meta, Magicians way. SERA GAMBLE | Tune in for Season 3! Just the fact that you’re asking this question at all highlights the fact that the structure of Season 2 is a little different than Season 1. So I don’t think badness gets bigger than genocide. While The Beast had a large effect on the misery of Martin Chatwin, Quentin and his friends, and Fillory, and Reynard really affected Julia and her circle of friends in a miserable, violent way, Ember - through whimsical, kind of careless, narcissistic boredom - was going to destroy an entire world. TVLINE | In a season where you had Reynard the Fox and The Beast, was Ember the alpha Big Bad? The Wonder Years Recap: Phoebe Robinson and Tituss Burgess Drop by the Season 2 Premiere - Grade It!īelow, executive producers John McNamara and Sera Gamble discuss why Ember is an “insidious evil,” where Julia’s abilities might come from and how the gang’s relationship to magic will change.
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